That's right.

That's part of what political parties DO. The LP wont gain anyone's vote by remaining silent when wrongdoing occurs - we'll simply be seen as a non player and not worth devoting a single dollar towards. That's where we are now.

I look forward to the day when the LP can command enough attention and worry from the majors that they have to spend serious money out of their budgets to counteract what we do. When that happens, the way forward will be clear.

If mass media paid attention to LP staff pronouncements re Karl Rove, they might run this headline: "Libertarian Party favors enforcement of all laws if they are possibly violated." They might add the qualifier, "But only against political enemies."

I'm tempted to agree, for different reasons. Karl Rove is the chief architect of the Republican strategy to enlist the support of religious social conservatives. But before we all become practitioners of "realpolitik", we should consider, this is a double-edged sword.

At least, if Karl Rove hasn't violated statutes, he shouldn't be held accountable. For various technical reasons, he hasn't violated any law. Rove didn't blow Plame's cover, because she wasn't undercover, and hasn't been on assignment outside the country in over 5 years.

Joe Wilson outted himself by going public with his CIA assignment. His wife's photo was on his website, where she could be recognized by people with whom she dealt if she had been undercover.

John Kerry did disclose the identity of a real undercover CIA operative, in open senate hearings. Yet on this, LP staff are silent.

Karl Rove may not be guilty of the Identities Protection Act specifically regarding outing a CIA agent. However, it appears he is guilty of violating his own Nondisclosure Agreement with the government and Executive Order 12958.

It has been widely reported that Rove is not the target of the investigation, but he should be fired.

Special Counsel Fitzgerald is obviously aware of information that is unknown to the general public and to the partisan hacks of the RNC and the DNC.

Kevin Bjornson may be aware of all the details of Valerie Plame's assignments over the past five years, but if he is relying on what apologists for the Bush administration are spinning, I don't buy it.

It is interesting to note that Mrs. Wilson's maiden name was used and that it was the CIA that initially called for the investigation. Persons who previously worked with Plame and the front organization from which she operated may well have been compromised. While this might not be ultra top secret information and fall under the Identities Protection Act, it is still sensitive information.

Karl Rove's problems may prove to be only the tip of the iceburg in this ongoing scandal. It has been reported that it is Cheney's office that is the focus of the investigation. Keep an eye on Scooter Libby and some of the neocons over in Douglas Feith's Office of Special Plans in the Pentagon.

I thought the LP believed in trial by jury? I think we should be calling for the arrest and trial of Karl Rove so that a jury can decide his fate. The biggest travesty is that his actions are being treated by all parties concerned as merely a political issue, possibly leading to Rove's firing. If you or I were under the same spotlight for the same act, we'd be under criminal indictment, not in danger of merely losing a highly paid position of political influence.

The LP shouldn't be calling for Rove to be fired or making the thrust of their comments only that the two major parties are corrupt.

Instead, the LP's main action should be to call for a criminal indictment and trial of Karl Rove, so that the facts can be weighed in a court of law.

Libertarian TV,

I agree with you I think he should be tried in court not by the media or by the white house.

My Daddy fired my friend Karl because he called my Mommy names -- like "grey fox" -- and the only people who get away with calling my Mommy a "fox" is my Daddy and the Secret Service. But then Karl became my friend and we made up and kissed in a non homosextype manner. I am tired of people saying my friend Karl is bad. Karl is a good friend, a good person not evil like Sadam or those Iranians and 911. Karl is good. The news people who say bad things about Karl are bad. They are not truth tellers. My friend Karl is a truth teller and he told me that he did not say someone's name he should not say therefor he is telling the truth and everyone else is not. Therefor all news people are bad and evil. Karl is good. Good people are truth tellers. Are you a truth teller or are you evil like 911, democrats and Iranians?

Actually, I would have no problem believing that was really written by Bush. :D

It wasn't?

I wonder how long that post lasts...

The assertion that "W" visits any website other than the GOP website and Disney.com is preposterous.

I will neither confirm, nor deny that I have an opinion on this matter.

What relevence does trial by jury have to do with firing?

The burden of proof is not nearly as high (nor should it be) to fire as it is to prosecute in criminal court.

Additionally, it seems that the threat (by Bush) was already made - before he likely found out the leaker was Rove.

Throw the bum out.

Sorry, this is off topic. I'm looking for posters of the "Bill of Rights" etc. To use at Libertarian booths. Looks like like Liberty Bell Museum is the best place, has anyone used them or is there another source?

The LP might want to consider printing up some yard signs (Lady Liberty, with LP name and number) to offer. It would be cheaper to buy in bulk then sell them. Than individuals having a couple made up.

Thanks!

The acusations are criminal, so a trial would be appropriate

Stephen Gordon asks: "What relevence does trial by jury have to do with firing?"

Very little. But what relevance does firing have to do with violating the law?

What it comes down to is this: if it's a felony to reveal a CIA operative's identity (in order to protect that person's right to life and personal safety), shouldn't we as a party be calling for that protection by the government? After all, defense of individual rights is the only legitimate purpose of government.

Or are we saying that we should turn crime into a purely political issue just to embarrass President Bush, like the Democrats are trying to do, and to hell with individual rights? That would be foolish.

Or are we saying that CIA operatives shouldn't be protected by a law such as this one, and she deserves whatever she gets? I don't think this is a responsible position to take.

Or are we saying that if someone inside the government blows the whistle on abuse of power, it doesn't matter whether those who abused that power fight back by violating the law? Again, I don't think this is a responsbile position to take either.

I despise Bush as much as most people, but I think what we stand for as Libertarians is much more important. Don't you?

Well, now the only question remaining was whether she was actually a covert agent or not. If she wasn't covert, there is nothing wrong with disclosing her identity. If she was, Rove should be fired, and I suspect he probably will be if that is the case.

There's a joke to be made about the Rove situation and Tammy Wynette's song, "Stand By Your Man", but I'm not sure how to begin.

I don't like the democrats, or Rove or Bush, but why is the LP blog beating this to death. I understand that this is just a blog, so I'm not gonna take these comments or stories too seriously, but it's getting boring talking about Rove. He's just an advisor to the president. I suggest having a forum along with the blog, to offer some more variety.

NIck,

we are working on it. Donate some money to HQ and earmark it for the Forum Server if you want one.

"Here's my response: This is the topic of the moment. We can choose to remain silent when the current presidential administration appears to not only violate the public trust but may have also violated the law."

The only "Trust" I see being broken by your call for blood before all the facts are in are is own platform.

"We can standby and watch while the Bush administration is implicated in a clear abuse of power. We can always play the part of a spectator by choosing not to speak up or get involved in the political arena. That's the easiest thing to do."

Wrong, the easy thing to do is to jump in on a well funded and hysterical witch hunt. Such tactics are making Rove a hero to folks and painting the DNC, and now us, as hate filled and unreasonable power mongers. We should be calling for charges against Rove, if they will stick, and equally we should be calling for charges against Wilson for his perjury. We, the Libertarian Party are not supposed to be the cheerleader for either side. And that is how we are being presented by our press releases. No longer a party of principle, but another yapping dog of political expediency.

"However, we are obligated to do otherwise. Among other things, it is our duty to educate the public on the corruption of the two leading political parties in this nation. This is done by pointing out their flaws, confronting their lies, and in the end and given the opportunity, correcting their mistakes."

So let me get this right. Instead of coming out for a aggressive investigation of the facts and prosecution of wrong doers in this affair we, the LP, are just going to mouth the DNC's talking points as our own. And then call that "Educating the Public of the Corruption of the TWO Leading Political Parties"? We, the LP, are going to follow in the "Hollowed" (yes, I meant Hollowed not Hallowed.) foot steps of Moveon.org and call for unreasoned hate and revenge on the man who has been the thorn in the side of our enemies. For don?t forget the DNC are not our allies or even our respected foes. They are as staunch and vile as enemy as the GOP. Instead of following the Soros line why not point out the sliminess of Rove vs the obvious political maneuvers and blatant lies of Wilson. Here we have both of the major parties, parties we are in opposition to, both caught spinning and dancing to gain political power at the expense of our nation. And instead of being the voice of reason we are joining the screaming howling mass on the left?

Mayhap folks feel much different where every Mr. Cooper lives. But in my neck of the woods, deep in yellow dog Democrat country, this is playing out as another Rathergate. News journalist are a hated group now, worst than even lawyers. If it comes down to believing the word between a bunch of foamy mouthed journalist and a snake eyed political hack, the hack will win and the ones who formed their howling cheerleaders will loose credibility in the process. Much better if we had called for the rule of law instead of rule of the mob.

Pavel

Please check the following items that you didn't already know:

є The Bush White House lies and manipulates facts, reporters and events.

є Karl Rove is a top political consultant because he is an amoral opportunist.

є George Bush always finds a way to avoid taking responsibility for his own words and actions.

є Joe Wilson, his wife, and the Democrat party are all partisans that want to discredit the Bushies.

є The Washington power structure is deeply corrupt.

є The Yellow Cake story, like all the WMD lies, were just that.

So, given what we already knew, how does this Rove story advance the ball in any way? It is just more of the same. That may sound cynical, but after 5 years of this, it should also ring true.

I have looked at the law and it is very narrowly construed, there is not going to be an indictment and there is zero chance of a conviction is there were. So we are left with George Bush and his promise to fire anyone found to be leaking. I guess if you want to hang your hat on George Bush's integrity you can, but as far as I'm concerned there is just nowhere for this story to go.

The public trust has been a battered wife since these thugs took over, is this story really the poster child for for their endemic corruption?

Everybody knows that big shot public figures do not get prosecuted and do time for this type of stuff. Not Nixon, not Agnew, not Senator "Leaky" Leahy, not Hillary Clinton. (FBI files, anyone?)

However, there was a time when resignation was the most honorable course of action for someone legitimately accused of sleaze. It atoned for the offense to an extent, scored a point for the opposition, and got the press and government to move on.

That type of honor seems to have gone away. I suggest it be resurrected.

Free2Smooze,

I was all with you until this one:

"є The Yellow Cake story, like all the WMD lies, were just that"

According to the British Secreat Service and other FBI and CIA reports Iraq had tried to buy the Yellow Cake, unsuccesful, but did make the attempt. Bush-Co never claimed he had *Bought* it but that he had *Sought* it. And the evidence backs that claim up.

oh, and instead of saying:

"є The Bush White House lies and manipulates facts, reporters and events."

I would have said "The Bush white house, the GOP and DNC lies and manipulates facts, reporters and events."

Both the DNC and the GOP see us as cattle.

Pavel

Touche Paval, but if the yellow cake story was as credible as some quarters would have us believe, don't you think we would know it?

There are reasonable arguments on both sides, but the White House has never gone full press to convince us it was true. I find some meaning in that.

Shane-
You seem to be avoiding the real criticism. Not that the LP should not enter the debate but that they made an assumation not based on facts but based on innuendo. The two things that I can't get over is A) That her Id was known way before Cooper was told anything.B)CIA had already given permison for Novak to run the story. If the CIA gave permission then once again I ask what did Rove do that was unethical let alone illegal. This is the debate we should be haven on this blog not putting out press release that sounds like it was sent out by moveon.org. Not the most reasonable princpled party.

Right now someone is sitting in a prison for growing and/or selling marijuana (of course this could be any other prohibited drug or substance too) when he or she did not violate the rights of anyone else.

Right now someone is sitting in a prison for owning a prohibited firearm. This person harmed no one and violated no one elses rights.

Right now someone is sitting in a prison for selling their body to another consenting adult. This person harmed no one and violated no one elses rights.

Right now someone is sitting in prison for not paying to the unconstitutional federal income tax. This person recognized it as unconstitutional and completely out of control. Additionally, this individual recognized the IRS as a criminal organization that's used as a political tool. This person harmed no one and was only trying to make an honest living. This person did not violate anyone elses rights.

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I could go on forever, but the point I am making is that the LP should weekly have a FRONT PAGE STORY about an individual facing one of the above situations.

Those individuals are having their rights VIOLATED by our own government just as badly as if some criminal had burst in their home, dragged them out, bound them up, and forced them to stay imprisoned in a rape room.

Hey, in these cases that did happen. But the CRIMINAL is our GOVERNMENT!

The LP needs to SPEAK UP about these INNOCENTS who are having their fundamental rights VIOLATED.

Our current government is a total tyranny. It is completely and utterly corrupt!

Why worry about what Bush does to Rove and the bantering of Reps and Dems when both of the big-government parties are forcefully holding perhaps hundreds of thousands of innocent people in gulags across the nation when they have violated the rights of no one?

Personally, if ROVE is fired all that will happen is another big government jack booted thug will be appointed to replace him.

What we need to do is point out how ALL of the Reps and Dems need to be replaced NOT over one fat-cat politician spilling the beans or breaking one law but for VIOLATING THE RIGHTS OF UNCOUNTABLE AMERICAN CITIZENS!

The LP apparently has lost all sense of orientation when we drift into political bantering instead of restoring the rights we have lost.

Lets succeed.

I am willing to succeed.

But lets succeed by pointing out all the innocent people being kidnapped, assaulted, and imprisoned for NON-VIOLENT victimless crimes!

There are so many people being imprisoned every single day that I am STUNNED the LP refuses to comment on these individuals.

What is it going to take to wake up the LP?

Does a powerful LP'er somewhere have to be arrested for one of these non-violent victimless crimes for the party to STAND UP against these travesties?

I hope that never happens! No one should be arrested for a non-violent victimless crime. But THOUSANDS are being arrested every single day!

For goodness sakes! WAKE UP NATIONAL LIBERTARIAN PARTY!

Too chicken!

I think the National Libertarian Party is too chicken to focus on these important issues because they are too scared of spreading the word that the LP:

1) Supports the legalization of all drugs.
2) Supports the legalization of prostitution.
3) Supports the abolishment of firearm or guncontrol laws, restrictions, waiting periods, etc.
4) Supports the abolishment of the IRS.
5) Supports the abolishment of social security, medicare, welfare, and the redistribution of wealth.

The LP needs to grow a backbone once again.

"Secede"

personally, I think this is a MUCH bigger issue than Rove.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/18/AR2005071800604.html

Jose Padilla the Bush administration at its worst.

William,

http://libertyforsale.com/?p=21

I forgot to add "abolish" to the list, but it's a good one for the list. You forget that even if we had a libertarian president tomorrow morning, he would have to go through the checks and balances system to do any of that stuff. Strictly speaking, there no such thing as "abolishing" anything. You'd have to pass new laws to kill the old ones.

That is true but to override a Veto at least we make the congress to vote as if they were making an amendment when they violate the constitution.

this one's probably heading to the supreme court...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162935,00.html

I honestly don't see how anyone can argue FOR this situation.

As a new L.P. member I find the blogs very interesting and somewhat disturbing.

Our fight should always be a fight against all the DNC or RNC and all that they stand to justify. We will never agree on every topic but let us fight for our rights whether we fight against Rove, Bush or Kennedy. Let us be dogmatic and uncompromising.

Shane is addressing the topic of the moment so everyone will know we're in the fight. Lets help him gain momentum to tackle the main fight of our controlling government. There is a bigger picture here and he certainly knows it. Political bantering must be done or no one will know we're in the fight. Keep up the good work Shane. Stay in the fight.

Buzz wrote: "Our fight should always be a fight against all the DNC or RNC and all that they stand to justify."

I respectfully disagree with this statement. Our fight should always be a fight for individual rights and their protection under a limited government. We shouldn't be the "we're not Republicrats" party.

From the Fox News story on Padilla:

"'It would be very, very strange to say an intent on blowing up apartment buildings and killing U.S. citizens again is not a hostile act,' he (the federal prosecutor) said."

No, it would not be strange to say that an INTENT to do something is not a hostile ACT!

What's strange and downright scary is the idea that simply asserting hostile intent exists without proving it in a court of law should be enough to throw someone in jail indefinitely.

the washington post is keeping the story hot...especially since it looks like the John Roberts affair will be an easy confirmation.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8635385/

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4656

Spy Valerie and the rogue CIA

James Lewis
The American Thinker
July 18th, 2005

Hold on to your hat. The plot is about to thicken.

Behind the scenes, the single most important reason for the Valerie Plame/Joe Wilson farce is that CIA Director Porter Goss has finally started to clean house at Langley. Goss's long-overdue shake-up is clearly backed by the White House, the top levels of the Pentagon and State Department, and the new National Director of Intelligence, John Negroponte.

Judging by Director Goss's remarks at his Senate confirmation hearings, those whose jobs are most in danger include the CIA "experts" in WMD proliferation пїЅ Valerie Plame's outfit пїЅ who completely failed to anticipate the Indian and Pakistani nukes, and just couldn't figure out what was going on with Iraqi WMDs. Valerie Plame's bosses [and the NYT's favorite leakers] are facing the axe for decades of failures.

And it's about time, because Iran is within sight of its first nukes. You don't suppose that has anything to do with the Plame/Wilson publicity stunt, do you?

Clearly the CIA managers who failed the United States so terribly on 9/11 should have been fired four years ago. Others now worried about their careers include officials who have long resisted the onerous task of building a topnotch human intelligence capability in the most dangerous parts of the world.

Porter Goss's new broom should also sweep away:

1) personnel who utterly failed to thwart critical technology theft by China during the Clinton years;

2) those who constantly undermine the war on terror;

3) the ones who make a regular habit of dropping media stinkbombs against the White House.

4) Finally, there is the faction that supported Saddam Hussein's hold on power, as Joe Wilson did.

It could be a bloodbath, and the Permanent Establishment knows it.

The farcical Plame/Wilson assault on Karl Rove is a shot across the bow of the White House. The spook bureaucracy is fighting for its perks, hand-in-hand with the Democrats and the media. This is exactly the same iron triangle that destroyed Richard Nixon.

The charge against Rove is based on a blatantly forged document, purporting to show that Saddam tried to buy Niger yellowcake uranium. We now know that the document was forged by the French government to embarrass Secretary Colin Powell, and undermine the American case against Saddam at the UN. It was classic disinformation bait. Powell flourished the Niger forgery at the Security Council, and the very next day "European intelligence agencies" leaked word that it was a laughable fraud.

Months later, the London Telegraph published the fact that it was all a French disinformation ploy.

The CIA has to know all about the French forgery, just as it knows that Joseph Wilson's famous trip to Niger was pure bilgewater. Nobody sends a has-been diplomat to Africa to drink mint tea with corrupt old President Tandja Mamadou, expecting to discover whether Mamadou has secretly been selling nuke materials to Saddam.

That's pure Inspector Clousseau.

Valerie Plame's CIA bosses took care not to ask Mr. Wilson to sign a confidentiality agreement, routine in such cases, almost as if they wanted him to make a public fuss. They were not surprised, one might think, when Mr.

Wilson promptly took his story to New York Times Op-Ed Editor Gail Collins, one of the great Bush-haters of all time. As Joseph DiGenova, former US Attorney for DC, recently said, "The CIA isnпїЅt stupid. They wanted this story out."

It was a publicity stunt from the get-go. Wilson's "confidential trip" to Niger gave him the superficial credentials to publish his "expose" in the Times. He'd gone there, talked to the top officials face to face, and by gum, they told him it was all a lie! Not even Gail Collins could possibly believe this banana sauce, but Wilson's charges provided a useful stick with which to beat the White House.

What Karl Rove apparently did was to hint to reporters about the fraudulence of the whole Wilson stunt, and for that the media mob wants him drawn and quartered. No good deed goes unpunished.

Everything else Wilson has been saying on his two-year speaking tour around the country has been shown to be lies, but well-designed lies --- lies that fit right into the mad-dog world of the Democrat Left.

Telling lies to confirm somebody's paranoid beliefs is a classic disinformation gambit, right out of Spy School 101. But such gambits would be far more usefully employed against al Qaeda, our opponent in war. If the United States is attacked again by terrorists, one reason will be that our CIA has wasted time fighting the White House rather than the enemy.

Given Wilson's Niger trip, set up by wife Valerie for Joe Wilson to publicly show that a blatant forgery was, well, a forgery, the current media attack on the White House was completely predictable.

The Permanent Establishment had a perfect dress rehearsal last year with the uproar about Richard Clarke, who also worked in the Clinton White House, possibly next door to Joe Wilson. The barely-disguised message to George W. Bush was: if you try to get rid of us, we may pull a Deep Throat on you. J. Edgar Hoover would have seen through it instantly.

When the Twin Towers exploded in 2001, President Bush did not touch the FBI or the CIA. By comparison, after the Japanese decimated the US Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor in 1941, FDR and George Marshall churned the commanding ranks of the Army and Navy, elevating talented officers like Eisenhower, Bradley and Patton. They created Wild Bill Donovan's OSS, the seed of the CIA. Donovan in his turn brought street spooks to the top, political correctness (of the day) be damned.

A lot of careers were broken, and the new talent skyrocketed. It worked like a charm. The infusion of new blood into a stale bureaucracy was the key to victory in World War II. The old crew had allowed a deplorable situation to develop, and were obviously incapable of recognizing what needed to be done.

So why didn't Mr. Bush clean out the dead wood at CIA?

A reasonable guess is that his father warned against it. George Bush, Sr. is a former CIA Director, after all, and is intimately familiar with its ways. He was a GOP Congressman during Watergate, when Mark Felt destroyed Richard Nixon for thwarting his lifelong ambition to succeed J. Edgar Hoover.

Paraphrasing LBJ's immortal words, it was smarter to keep the CIA inside the tent pissing out rather than the other way around. So George Tenet wasnпїЅt fired, and as far as we can tell, neither was anybody else. Instead, the President met with Tenet every day for five years to get the latest about al Qaeda, and surely gained a deeper understanding of the intelligence maze at the same time.

The White House has played a very careful poker game since then, picking its cards one by one until it was ready to make the big move. Today, George Tenet is out, State and Defense are in the hands of Bush loyalists, the House and Senate have GOP majorities, and the new CIA Director is not an insider. The CIA itself is now subordinate to the new National Director of Intelligence, John Negroponte, a no- nonsense diplomat in the Kissinger mold. When Goss became Director, Agency bureaucrats complained bitterly to the press. Mr. Bush now holds all the cards, and it is time to play them.

All this isn't just fun and games. It casts a deadly light on internecine warfare in Washington at a time of great national danger.

We know that Hoover blackmailed four successive Presidents by threatening to reveal confidential FBI secrets. We know that Hoover's fair-haired boy, Mark Felt, destroyed the Nixon Presidency пїЅ a virtual coup d'etat that the media tell us was a victory of Democracy over the Secret Government. With the media as destinyпїЅs servant.

We know that Nixon taped visitors to the Oval Office without their permission, but that FDR, LBJ, and Kennedy did the same, without facing media exposure. And during the unbelievable Clinton years we know that Bill and Hillary abused presidential power in a dozen egregious ways, and may still control copies of raw FBI files to use against their domestic enemies.

But it was Richard Nixon alone who got caught by a rogue FBI bureaucrat. Deep Throat showed how a president can be destroyed by a bureaucrat.

The farcical "outing" of Valerie Plame therefore raises a genuinely frightening monster from the swamp: A subversive alliance between the intelligence bureaucracy, the Democratic Party and the media. The common thread among all the characters in this low-brow comedy is hatred of President Bush and American power. Joe Wilson's eyebrows go ballistic when he talks about the White House. Just watch him sometime.

The sneering media mob is on display on C-SPAN whenever the White House holds a press briefing. The Left is apoplectic: "Karl Rove + traitor" brought up 97,000 entries on google three days ago, and 124,000 this morning.
But Karl Rove is merely today's target for a permanent state of rage so deep and hot that it is always seeking new witches to burn. As for the failed CIA spooks who are now living in fear of losing their perks, one can only imagine the steam blowing from their ears, as the day of reckoning draws closer.

I'm cheering for the good guys.

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About that 500 tons of yellow cake...
July 20th, 2005

We interrupt this scandal to ask a question that, due to it's "explosive" nature was never asked when the story broke almost exactly a year ago.

What were 500 tons of yellow cake uranium still doing at the nuclear research center of Al-Tuwaitha in Iraq when American tanks rolled into Bagdhad?
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those previous two posts are so full of it, I don't even know where to begin.

... and they call US kooks!

I agree with nameless, although I don't think we should call Kevin a "kook."

Instead, I'd say the logic of Kevin's post is almost exactly as disjointed as Michael Moore's movie, "Farenheit 911." Like that movie, Kevin's post relies almost entirely on innuendo and conjecture, with precious little fact. The facts that are presented do not connect except in the author's mind. In reality, the implied connections are presented with no actual evidence.

It's interesting that his analysis seems to be taking the opposite point of view to that movie, yet that same analysis marginalizes itself to the exact same degree as the movie.

Apparently, they're two sides of the same debased coin.

...if ROVE is fired all that will happen is another big government jack booted thug will be appointed to replace him.

The vitriole of the above comment notwithstanding, it is true that there will be no major policy gain from getting rid of Rove; even if the President fires him (which is unlikely) it would add not a jot to our liberty or security and would be followed by the appointment of someone else with similar politics to the position now held by Rove. At the very best, the result would be the replacement of Rove by someone with greater discretion. That might be considered a step toward good government, but what I like about the Libertarian party is its advocacy of less government more than its focus on good government. Not to denigrate the value of good government, but the government that governs best is the one that governs least, as Jefferson said.