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September 30, 2005

A victory for gun rights in Louisiana

As LP.org previously reported, the New Orleans police superintendent declared that no residents would be allowed to carry firearms of any kind. This superintendent stated in a New York Times interview, "only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons."

On September 23, 2005, a federal judge at the United States District Court for the Eastern District in Louisiana issued a restraining order that temporarily stopped any further gun seizures from law-abiding civilians in New Orleans. The suit was brought by the Second Amendment Foundation and the National Rifle Association.

NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said after the court victory, "This is a significant victory for freedom and for the victims of the Hurricane Katrina. The court's ruling is instant relief for the victims who now have an effective means of defending themselves from the robbers and rapists that seek to further exploit the remnants of their shattered lives."

In emergencies like Hurricane Katrina, the right to bear arms becomes even more important. Robert Pratt, an Election Volunteer Coordinator in Lubbock, Louisiana commented, "The authorities always tell you to call 911. Well, with all the lines down, nobody in New Orleans could call 911. How could people protect themselves?"

Posted by at September 30, 2005 04:30 PM

Reader Comments:

Bravo! I guess the Federal courts have to get it right sometimes. I'm glad this is one of those times.

Posted by: Libertarian TV at September 30, 2005 04:44 PM

Thank you, I guess it couldn't have come soon enough. FREEDOM FREEDOM FREEDOM

Posted by: FOR FREEDOM at September 30, 2005 04:46 PM

A bit of good news for a change. And to supplement that good news with more good news, the "Stand Your Ground" law takes effect tomorrow in the state of Florida. Law abiding citizens can now defend themselves without having to turn tail and run first.

Posted by: Mark B. at September 30, 2005 05:31 PM

Wait, wait. The feds did something right?

*checks calendar*

Wow, it's not even April. Bravo indeed.

Posted by: anonymous libertarian at September 30, 2005 05:40 PM

It does not take a rocket scientist or a bunch of supercilious, left-wing, Harvard law grads to figure out that "a well-regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".

Posted by: Levi, the libertarian at September 30, 2005 06:39 PM

Yes bravo and at the same time, the damage has been done already.

Posted by: at September 30, 2005 10:22 PM

Finally! I can't believe that it took THIS LONG for the government to actually allow the 2nd Amendment to not be cracked down!!! Better late than never, but the looters have already attacked the defenseless population. :(

Posted by: Jason Nudelman at October 1, 2005 01:24 AM

How can it be a victory to temporarily re-instate a constitutional right that should not have been tampered with in the first place. A victory would be headlines that read new orleans police superintendent relieved of his duties and placed under arrest for violating the citizens of new orleans 2cd amendment right to bear arms. He was also arrested and charged with conducting illegal seach and siezure practices as well as theft of private property and looting homes. That would be a victory worth celebrating.

Another mistake is the fact that new orleans citizens may not have had to protect themselves from rapists and armed gangs because it may have never happened. This article will explain why it might not have happened and who started the rumors that it had, and why they started them. Read it with an open mind then judge for yourselves.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/sep2005/lies-s30_prn.shtml

Posted by: at October 1, 2005 02:10 AM

Finally our stupid and overbearing government actualy does something right and protect the american citizens civil liberties.Bet that will not happen again in another million years or until we get a libertarian candidate in office.

Posted by: mark A at October 1, 2005 02:47 AM

A good decision. If it saves just one person's life/property, it is more than worth it.

I do agree that this "superintendent" should be tossed overboard for actually trying to suspend the Bill of Rights.

Posted by: Brian at October 1, 2005 08:52 AM

This is great news. It took too long for someone to make a ruling on the matter. But I am happy with the outcome.

Posted by: Dan at October 1, 2005 11:52 AM

It must be pointed out that there is a difference between supporting the Second Amendment when opposing it would be blatantly disastros for the whole world to see, and supporting it under normal circumstances. I wouldn't call this any sort of great victory for the cause of freedom.

Posted by: Mat at October 1, 2005 02:15 PM

"A victory would be headlines that read new orleans police superintendent relieved of his duties and placed under arrest for violating the citizens of new orleans 2cd amendment right to bear arms."

Didn't the NOPD chief quit? Maybe not over the gun rights issue, but if he's gone, he's gone.

Posted by: James Anderson Merritt at October 2, 2005 01:31 AM

Rights violation Of course! Justifiable Maybe!
Situation - Flood isolates thousands from security and armed thugs come out for civilians to fend for themselves. In came security forces that confiscated some fire arms. Question: As Commander of the security force, would you trust the peaceful armed civilians could be identified with enough assurance to risk your men or would you prefer no one be armed except those you could identify. I hope I would order disarmament, impose peace, then return the guns, hope no one was killed or injured having done so and then accept my slapping around for temporarily violating their rights.
Conclusion - The arms confiscation while understandable was not legal. Official slapping will do as punishment followed by free drinks from the security unit for reducing their risks.

Posted by: Stockman at October 2, 2005 01:46 PM

I guess there test run to see how easy it would be to disarm us in a "national emergency" worked out ok.
We shouldn't celebrate too much. This won't be the last time.

Strange days we're living in.

Posted by: Chance Kramer at October 2, 2005 02:52 PM

Is it in line with the principles of federalism, though? Or should we go to federal courts when the state level is unconstitutional?

Posted by: liberty-lovin' conservative at October 2, 2005 09:11 PM

Federalism was never intended to be the end-all. It was designed as a balancing act -- states were given the ability to prevent Federal over-reaching, but were never intended to be supreme to the central government. To wit:

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land..." (Article 6)

Posted by: John Shuey at October 3, 2005 11:49 AM

This isn't just a 2nd Amendment issue; the gun seizures also violated the 4th and 5th Amendments.

Where was the probable cause and the warrant stating what was to be seized, as required by the 4th Amendment?

Where was the due process of law required by the 5th Amendment before citizens were deprived of their property (their guns)?

Posted by: Lex at October 3, 2005 11:57 AM

Bush Nominates Meirs, he seems to nominate all his buddies, he not working for us the people. WHAT ARE WE LIBERTARIANS GOING TO DO ABOUT IT. SIT ON OUR BUTTS?

Posted by: Pasy. at October 3, 2005 01:20 PM

http://drudgereport.com/flash4ds.htm

VERY GOOD ARTICLE
Bush will destroy our lives.
LIBERTARIANS PASS THIS ARTICLE TO EVERYONE.

Posted by: True American at October 3, 2005 02:26 PM

Mark, thanks for bringing up the new Shoot First Law in my state (Florida). I can't believe this isn't getting more attention from the LP!

It's detractors are sure talking about it though (www.shootfirst.org).
Personally, I'm thrilled with the law, and hope that it is passed in other states.

Posted by: Rob Eichenlaub at October 3, 2005 02:41 PM

The lawsuit is a good first step, but where are the criminal charges?

Under US Code Title 18, Part I, Chapter 13, Sections 241 and 242, it is a crime punishable by up to 10 years in prison to deprive anyone of the rights, privileges, and immunities protected by the Constitution.

Somehow, I think that violations of the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments would qualify.

Will the law be enforced? Will any of the victims step forward to press charges?

http://www.access.gpo.gov/uscode/title18/parti_chapter13_.html

Posted by: Lex at October 3, 2005 03:10 PM

Uh...read your Constitution before you quote it. The right to keep and bear arms simply means the federal government can't deny you that right. It has nothing to do with what the state government has a right to do. The Anti-Federalists established the Bill of Rights to take back powers that the Constitution originally entitled individuals because they feared that individuals would appeal directly to the federal government when they felt their rights were violated. Their greatest fear was that the federal government would override state laws, thus creating a strong federal (read:central) government. Every time you quote the Fifth Amendment as a right of every individual, you are justifying a policy of greater federal government intervention. Any state has a right to enforce gun control laws. If you do not agree with this, you should work to amend the Constitution, not simply misread it.

Posted by: Nathan at October 4, 2005 07:12 PM

The Bill of Rights was extended to the states by the 14th Amendment to the Constitution.

Posted by: Mark B. at October 4, 2005 07:52 PM

I am glad that this has finally been resolved properly, but I would have never given up my guns to begin with. They would get my guns... bullets first.

Posted by: Keith at October 6, 2005 10:25 AM

Keith, haaaa haaaaaa whooo whooo

Posted by: at October 6, 2005 04:52 PM

Keith is absolutely right on the money. He has a right to defend his right to keep his arms from being confiscated, even it means them getting his guns bullets first. The constitution and bill of rights were created before many states even existed and they will most likely be exercized by force if nessessary by many americans who will refuse to have their guns confiscated. I don't believe this government will ever change course and stick to the limits of the constitution and bill of rights. I do believe that the people will eventually wake up and confront this out of control government head on.

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