Ok if he resigns, any Libertarians want to take his place?

Darn. The Senate is so boring now. All we get is tantrums. Back in the good old days this might have resulted in a vicious and exciting caning!

Ah yes, canings. Whatever happened to those? The flurry of mutton chops, crushed top-hats, and the resounding crack of a hickory pole on some unsuspecting politician's head. Those were the days.
Has anyone explored the possibility of just letting Stevens resign? I know, it sounds crazy, but what if they just told him to kiss off? Actions speak louder than words, so he's pretty much yelling "Alaska hates disaster victims!" Alaska isn't supposed to have bridges anyway. It's supposed to be full of hardy weather-stained bush pilots with a million stories about bear attacks and crashing into mountains who are missing a finger. I don't know about you, but if I ever go moose hunting, I don't want to be able to drive my ford taurus to wherever I'm going. Long story short, we should be doing everything we can to keep ALL roads out of Alaska. It's where we keep all of our best grizzled people, and I don't want to see them getting all soft.

No, he isn't doing it at "the expense of Katrina victims." They'll get all the loot they need. It is at the expense of the American taxpayers.
Sen. Coburn needs to smarten up: no Senator is going to idly stand by and see his consituents "hurt" and those of 49 other states
get what they want. Therefore, across the board reductions of say 10% in all projects or in the
total allocation per state is more likely to win support. Share the pain. Federal highway spending allocations should be commensurate with
the gasoline user fees generated in a state.

I heard Ted Stevens in an interview trying to make the argument that taking away his pork would be an attack on federalism. He said that the money "belonged" to his state,therefore taking it would violate his State's rights. Any Alaskan's want to explain to the Senator what American Federalism is?

I agree with Creech in the dislike of the last sentence of the introductory news "Senator Stevens apparently will protect his wasteful and unnecessary pet projects to further his own political agenda at any cost, even at the expense of Hurricane Katrina victims".
Sounds like polemics and the sentence assumes that spending for Katrina is morally better then spending for Alaska. Finally, one of the reasons I oppose conservatives is that they need Katrina to go after pet projects.

Is Coburn the same guy who introduced a bill that said "Before presenting any bill a congressman must cite the part of the constitution he feels authorizes that bill to be legitimate"?

I have been blaming another Alaska idiot, for looting Katrina funds for Alaska, Don Young. What are drinking up in Alaska to elect two people like Young and Stevens?

URGENT change of topic.
Why isn't the LP fighting for republican votes in the New Jersey governor race? The Reps are threatening to sit out the governor election and not vote because of their disdain for the candidates.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051102/ap_on_el_gu/new_jersey_governor

Could be several reason, a lot of these people may not be aware of the Libertarians, they do not agree with our open borders and they think we are potheads. so what else is new.

So, where are the fiscal conservatives when you need them? Obviously, not in the Republican Party.

Wow, Stevens letting his inner child out. And how on earth does all that money belong to Alaska? I doubt Alaska pays half of that in taxes to the federal government? What a [can't think of something non-profane to put here.]

Sad as it is ...I doubt that any our senators are any less money and power hungry than he is...Its a shame.

Wow, how true about fiscal conservativism. It's sorely lacking. Let's say we don't even collect federal funds for such things to begin with. Let the taxpayers keep their money, and let the state handle it if government needs to be involved at all. In the case of building bridges...I'm not sure I see that in the Constitution anywhere, unless maybe if it's necessary for the postal service. I don't know who proposed the bill that a senator must show the part of the Constitution for a proposed bill, but it sounds like a good idea to me.

QUICK CHANGE OF TOPIC
Badnarik is running for congress after a failed presidency...why doesn't Harry Browne run for Congress. He prob would be the most successful LP candidate given the fact that he is a well known writer. Just a thought!

I think maybe it's time we stop talking in terms of "fiscal conservatives." I think even those who call themselves fiscal conservatives within the LP can now see that the term means something completely different from what they have in mind.

We should be using the term "fiscal libertarians" instead.

The phrase "fiscal libertarian" is great. And it might catch on. During an NPR report the other day they used the phrase "civil libertarian" to describe someone dedicated to protecting "Personal Freedoms" as they have been called on the Nolan Chart.

http://www.gunowners.org/prespower.htm

Well we have Bruce Cohen also running for congress.

Libertarian TV: Perhaps, although I wouldn't want to see this used as a way to split Libertarians along "fiscal" and "civil" lines. It's an all or nothing thing in my mind, a Libertarian has to be both a civil and fiscal Libertarian. What does amaze me are the number of people who think the Republicans are in any way fiscally conservative these days.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47195

According to the 9th JerkIt Court of Schlemeils, parents should just shut up and do as THEY are told by Mama Gov. If the state wishes to pervert their children, the parents have no say. Well, if this is the case, give me more Supreme Court retirements, thank you.
And lots of libertarian candidates. And lots of concerned parents as voters.

This is sent by my other half.

Here what I think, Demoliberal, Republiberal, or better yet, Socialdemican, Socialrepulicrates.

So, trying to sort this out in my mind...
Fiscally Conservative in modern terms means borrow and spend.

Fiscally liberal, I would assume to be the converse but haven't heard the term, means tax and spend.

Fiscally Libertarian means??? tax less, borrow less and spend less?

If that is correct, I think that would get a lot of people's interest. But the stress should probably be on outing what fiscally conservative really means today... just as the label liberal now has bad connotations, though the first definition means freeman. Note: the conservatives see 'freeman' as a bad thing.

I think that no matter what term we use, others will try to distort it into something else. So why not stop worrying and start leading? If we allow fear of such distortions to prevent us from using terms like "fiscal libertarian," we are giving up the idea that there can be any words that accurately mean what we're talking about as a party and as a movement.

On the other hand, if we boldly go with "fiscal libertarian" to denote financial caution, smaller government, lower taxes, lower gov't spending, and protection of property rights while also using "social libertarian" to denote life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and our stands on social issues, we will be providing sorely needed leadership to the nation by focusing attention on the proper use of the word "libertarian."

civil libertarian is a widely used and respected description by the press, and not used in a bad manner at that. Walt has a excellent idea here.

"fiscal libertarian" could be installed in a likewise manner.

Fiscal libertarian...I like that term.

I like the idea of taking back the term "civil libertarian" from the ACLU. They've twisted its meaning rather severely.

“Be it resolved that the state of Vermont peacefully and democratically free itself from the United States of America and return to its natural status as an independent republic as it was between January 15, 1777 and March 4, 1791.”

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/36584.htm

IT IS TIME FOR THE REST OF THE STATE TO FOLLOW

Posted by: at November 3, 2005 04:41 PM

"why doesn't Harry Browne run for Congress."

It may have something to do with his health, for starters. Also, he's probably tired of running for office.

"Well we have Bruce Cohen also running for congress."

To our eternal shame. See my comments in the Cohen thread.

I am an alaska resident, and most of alaska disagrees with the building of the bridges. Most of us up here think that it is a waste of money, and would not alleviate traffic by as much as they claim. in fact, for most people it would be a longer drive to the city because of where they are going to put the bridges. Because these bridges only apply to alaskans, we should pay for it ourselves. Pass a property tax or sales tax increase or something to pay for it, if Stevens "must" have the bridges. One last point...most of us are confused as to why he insists on building an ungodly expensive bridge across a trecherous body of water, when we can't even keep the roads we have in good condition. Frost heaves and potholes should be taken care of first, instead of building a couple of useless bridges that will probably fall to a measly 6.0 earthquake anyway. He needs to look at the costs of producing it, as well as the variable costs that can come along every year in our harsh winters and natural disasters. I sure wouldn't drive on it.

As a person who spends all of her free time watching the senate on c-span 2 I have to say that I would be more surprised if Stevens *didn't* throw a tantrum.

Vermont secede from the U.S.? Is this serious? What will be next? The South rising again? Good Lord, this nation does have its problems and there are many, but to throw in the towel is cowardly. I wish for once that I was in their shoes, so I could understand the run and hide mentality.
With all the crap that is in Washington (hince the title of this blog), we still have the best nation in the world.

The "run and hide mentality"? How does succeeding count as running and hiding? Its hardly something you do when you want to remain low-key or hidden.

Succession is the best thing that any state could do right now. If I thought that I could get more than 10 people in Ohio willing to vote for it, I would be pushing the same thing.

And let me tell you that *IF* Vermont succeeds from the union and declares independence, I will be the FIRST person across the border to join the rebel army to defend the new country which has a better chance of successfully protecting it's citizens rights than this current regime does. And the politicians can talk all they want. If succession happens, there will be a war and a war is just what this country needs to cleanse itself once and return to liberty.

There comes a point when corruption infects an institution so badly that the only solution is to demolish the whole damn thing and start from scratch. We are at that point with the United States Government.

I will be next to join in with Vermont as well. Yes it has gotten to that point.

Actually we need to try and get several other states to do the same thing as Vermont. New Hampshire, Colorado.

Concerning the antics of Stevens and his temper tantrum, it destroyed the impression of the Ivory Towers in Washington.

Oh shut up you armchair revolutionaries. ROAR ROAR ROAR I HATE GEORGE BUSH well do something about it.

I like the idea of Vermont being Indepence, but I understand they have extremely high taxes.

I hope people note that Senator Crybaby of Alaska happens to be a Republican. While government efforts to aid hurricane victims is always misspent (starting with building subsidies and "insurance" underwriting which results in overbuilding and settlement in disaster-prone areas, there is something obscene, to put it mildly for a "fiscal conservative" Republican to demand that money extorted from taxpayers from the other 49 states pay for boondoggles which don't benefit us and neither we (nor our States)have any use for.

One more reason why we need the Libertarian Party.

The Republican Party is Worthless.

There should be a new law stating anyone who is neo-nazi idealism should not qualify for elective office in the White house period.

Can you say Daschle?

I would like to thank all those who responded to my post. I should have been more concise, but I was laughing too hard last night. Let me see "run" you are getting the heck out of dodge i.e. the US. The “hide” part is the picture I imagine folks in Vermont saying to the rest of the country "please go away- I just can’t take it." Seclusion is a form of hiding. You are hiding from others instead of standing your ground and trying to make the U.S. a better place. To those of you who I did upset, I am glad. It feels good to have your blood flowing doesn’t it? Now take that energy and focus it on something positive and not the asinine idea of ceding. Take the fight to Washington.
I would like to give an example of something that I am doing. I hate the tax code the way it is, but I found that Rep. Linder and Mr. Boortz, authors of the Fair Tax, have a good idea of reforming the tax code. Did it pass the first go around? No. Did it pick up steam and catch attention from others? Absolutely, it did. I am confident that eventually this tax code will pass, but it takes time and effort a lot of it. You don’t see us who want the Fair Tax giving up the fight.
Let’s say that you did cede from the union, how do you propose defending your state? Do you think that you alone or a bunch of your fellow state guard can defend against foreign countries wanting to do your state harm? War is not fought conventionally anymore. Are folks in Vermont going to have the resources to find out if a terrorist attack is being planned halfway across the world? What about the funding for your universities? Are they totally funded through the state? You folks pull out and all federal funding goes with it. Please tell me. I don’t know because I am in Georgia. These are two concerns of many that I thought about off the top of my head. There are too many more issues for me to discuss in the time that I do have.
For the other blogger that states that it has gotten “that bad in Vermont”, you have my sympathies. I do get annoyed with the one tollbooth that we have in Atlanta.
For those of you who think that I advocate a big government you are so wrong. I view government a necessary evil.

Nigel, as long as you'll join me in prison I will.

Sure, dakotahp, government is a necessary evil. However, THIS government in its current unbelievably corrupt form is NOT a necessary evil.

Keep in mind, that I am an Ohio resident and I don't speak for Vermont. Why waste time taking the fight to DC? For the last 200+ years, we have taken the fight to DC. Look at the results it has gotten us. The definition of insanity, I am told, is repeating the same series of actions over and over but expecting different results. Well, we're all pretty much insane now.

I don't have all the answers. I don't know how a state that succeeds will defend itself. But I imagine it will be much in the same way the Union did when it was first formed. It will raise an army and do the best it can. The US Armed Forces don't seem to be doing too hot right now anyway, so who knows, maybe they'll do better.

As for terrorist attacks, I don't find myself worrying much about them. Never have and likely never will. Most of the terrorists are right here at home and can be found in capital cities in each state, usually one just has to look for the largest homes with the best kept yards. I personally dont buy the Bin Laden story on 9/11 and I personally belive that some of Bush's boys carried it out themselves.

Freedom has costs and unlike some people, I am willing to pay them. I know that in order to live in a free society, I have to accept the fact that someone is going to misuse their freedoms occasionally and in doing so, they may kill or maim me or someone I know. In order for me and others to enjoy the liberty that comes with a free society, I accept the fact that a few hundred people are gonna die because some nut decides to fill a U-Haul full of diesel fuel and fertilizer and drive it into a building - I am fine with that.

I see no point in living a life free from all danger. The only way this would be possible would be to live in an entirely sterile environment where my food was eradicated, where no other human contacted me and where my air was purified to remove contaminates. I would never be able to go outside for I might get hit by a bus. And even then, I am not entirely safe from danger, the building that houses my little sterile bubble may collapse or burn down. I submit that living a life like this is pointless.

I'd rather roll the dice and see if its my turn to be in the building that gets blown up.

Wow, that's a whole lot of crazy.

I joined the LP this summer, I really like the fiscal ideas of the party and I agree with most of the social policies, but I had to ask them to stop sending me emails about a month in and won't donate any more money to the party. After originally signing up I began to receive emails on issues that the LP felt were important, but it eventually got to the point where 70-80% of those emails were about how evil Bush is, or how he lied, or how he is failing . . . Now every time I come to the website about 4 out of 6 headlines are about how much you hate George Bush.

I get the point, you don't like Bush; fine, but where are the grand ideas about how to make government smaller and increase personal freedoms? That's what got me excited about becoming a Libertarian, not this "Ah ha, I told you Bush was bad" mindset. If I wanted to here fanatical anti-Bush statements constantly I would just go to the DNC website or listen to Howard Dean speak.

Are you aware of the Free State Project in New Hampshire? Can't think of a better way to start. Succession, no - Restoration of our Republic, one state at a time.

Keith, I agree totally this terrorism crap is smoke and mirrors, designed to keep the public in a state of perpetual fear and destroy whats left of our constitutional freedoms. I also think it was "not as it seemed". Now that it is losing steam, and the public is no longer so willing to be conned, Double ya is trying to get us all worked up over this "Bird Flu".

Ironic that a movie entitled "Chicken Little" is now in theatres. Will probably replace the eagle as our national symbol.

Oh, as to the initial purpose of this post...Ted old buddy, don't let the Senate Chamber door hit you in the back on your way out!!

GOP Leaders to Bush: 'Your Presidency is Effectively Over'
By DOUG THOMPSON
Nov 4, 2005, 08:13
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A growing number of Republican leaders, party strategists and political professional now privately tell President George W. Bush that his presidency "is effectively over" unless he fires embattled White House advisor Karl Rove, apologizes to the American people for misleading the country into war and revamps his administration from top to bottom.

"The only show of unity we have now in the Republican Party is the belief that the President has failed the party, the American people and the presidency," says a longtime, and angry, GOP strategist.

With the public face of support for Bush eroding daily from even diehard Republicans, the President faces mounting anger from within his party over the path that may well lead to loss of control of Congress in the 2006 midterm elections and the White House in 2008.

"This presidency is in trouble," says a senior White House aide. "Even worse, I don't know if there is a way out of the trouble."

Congressional leaders journeyed to the White House before Bush left on his South American tour this week to tell the President that his legislative agenda on the Hill is dead, his latest Supreme Court nominee faces a tough confirmation fight in the Senate and he is facing open revolt within party ranks.

"The Speaker is having an increasingly difficult time holding his troops in line," says a source within the office of House Speaker Dennis J. Hastert. "Anger at the President grows exponentially with each passing day."

At a recent White House strategy session, internal party pollsters told the President that his approval rating with Americans continues to slide and may be irreversible, citing his failed Iraq war, the failed Supreme Court nomination of Harriet Miers and his failure to deal decisively on a number of fronts, including Hurricane Katrina, the economy and the Valerie Plame scandal.

In meetings, leaders and strategists have suggested a number of things that Bush must do to try and save his presidency and GOP prospects in upcoming elections, including:

* Apologize to the American people, Congress and our allies for misleading them on the reasons for invading Iraq;
* Revamp the White House staff from top to bottom;
* Fire Rove.

Bush is doing a fantastic job of slitting his own political throat. Man this republican soap opera is getting good. Gotta go make some more popcorn and finish watching the demise of the republicrat party.

The above article about bushes demise as a president can be read at the link below. Be warned, bush is not a stable man and is throwing terrible tantrams.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7617.shtml

It's about time the Republican party gets a slap of reality right in the face just like the Democrats have gotten. It's a great day when the American people start to realize that both the Republicans and Democrats are a worthless group of liars.

The Libertarian party (and Libertarianism) is the only alternative for postive change in America.

Matt C: you make an excellent point, even if it is apparently lost on others. We need to offer an alternative as a party. I suspect you were actually trying to get more direct discussion going about major national issues, but I took your point in a slightly different direction. I think we need to show that the LP is a viable alternative through our actions and not just our words.

Nowhere is this more true than here in Virginia. We have four candidates running for House of Delegates (Virginia's equivalent of a state house of representatives). We have gotten some good support and volunteer assistance in supporting this election effort from a handful of stalwart libertarian activists. However, for the most part, we've been unable to gain assistance from most Libertarian Party members here in Virginia. They're happy enough to let others do the work, but they're too busy to help themselves. Most often they tell themselves, "Well, those candidates aren't running in my district, so that's someone else's responsibility to help them."

When people keep arguing for everything but grassroots political change within the system, they detract from the party's efforts. In the age of email, cell phones, and other technological tools, there is really no excuse for Libertarians who are not otherwise engaged in their own local races to help Libertarians in other races. I don't mean monetarily (although that is certainly helpful). I mean through their time and efforts.

If you think about it, there are a heck of a lot of things that an activist can do by telephone, for example. Imagine if we organized a concerted effort by hundreds or even thousands of libertarian activists from across the country and even around the world (via Internet telephony) on a single local race. Imagine the work that could be done to reach and identify potential libertarian voters in such a local race. By combining information from the local voters registration list with information from the local white pages of the phone book, we could literally use telephoning activists to identify every single potential libertarian voter in a race. Then, once they've been identified, they could be targeted with issue-specific marketing (canvassing, mailings, email, etc.) to get the number of voting supporters to the polls necessary to win that local election.

That's how the members of the national party could be working to help win local elections. Unfortunately, we don't do it. We don't target voters looking for potential LP voters. We don't record that information in databases. We don't survey them using the World's Smallest Political Quiz and store those results as well.

But imagine if we knew, for example, which voters answered in agreement with the tenth Quiz question ("Cut taxes and government spending by 50% or more; agree, disagree, or maybe?"). We could have sent mailings to those who agreed with that statement calling for support of our Delegate candidate in their district. To those who agreed with question six: ("End corporate welfare. No government handouts to business: agree, disagree, or maybe") we could have sent a slightly different mailing about supporting our candidates based on this issue. And for those voters who agreed on both issue, we could send a still stronger letter combining the two into one issue.

That's how you target voter support in an election.

Even more importantly, if we had recorded this information gleaned from the Delegates races, we could apply it next year in the Congressional races that cover the same districts.

This is how you build an ongoing, winning party strategy.

But we can't do any of it if the party rank-and-file aren't willing to help.

Libertarian TV, I agree with you, for a political movement to work people have to spread the message. My point is, I'm not going to put time or money into a political movement that is focused on how much they hate the president. I'm not talking about a couple of crazy people on a blog either, its the official website message and the official emails that go out.

When I first signed up, the "Outrage of the week" was that there was a tax imposed at the turn of the century to fund the Spanish-American War, and now over a hundred years later the tax is still in place. The "Outrage of the week" now is that Bush hasn't fired Carl Rove.

Since I signed up I,ve seen an ideological shift away from the tenants of Libertarianism and toward the Democrat ideology of "I Hate Bush, and nothing else matters"

I forgot to add my name to the last Post

dp,

"would like to give an example of something that I am doing. I hate the tax code the way it is, but I found that Rep. Linder and Mr. Boortz, authors of the Fair Tax, have a good idea of reforming the tax code."

Paul) Actually it's not a good idea at all. Basically the real deal with the sales tax is that warmongers realize that the current level of taxes which can be collected with the income tax is not enough to fund their endless world wars and their endless "wars on terrorism" (read: war on liberty), so they want both a sales tax and an income tax. How to sell this idea to conservatives, who still are somewhat anti-tax?

Why, make them think the income tax will go away if the sales tax is adopted! But the fact is it won't. Even if it did, it would come back, and you will have both a sales tax and an income tax, which is the real reason behind the proposal.

"Let's say that you did [secede] from the union, how do you propose defending your state?"

Paul) Personally I would prefer to secede as an individual, not as a state. But a smaller state would be preferrable to a larger one. I'd propose defending it through mutual assured destruction. Possession of nuclear weapons is an equalizer in world affairs; a small country which has nukes can defend itself against a large country, just as on the street a small person with a gun can effectively defend him/herself against a much larger attacker, or even several.

"Do you think that you alone or a bunch of your fellow state guard can defend against foreign countries wanting to do your state harm?"

Paul) Why not?

"Are folks in Vermont going to have the resources to find out if a terrorist attack is being planned halfway across the world?"

Paul) Why would they, when many Americans still have yet to find out that the attacks on 9-11 and OKC 4-19-95 were planned in DC?

" What about the funding for your universities? Are they totally funded through the state?"

Paul) Hopefully they would be funded privately, not through the state. But if state funding does have to continue, why waste some of it on transition costs of sending some money to DC and getting some portion of it back after the bureaucracy there takes its cut? Or do you believe the DC bureaucracy somehow ADDS value?

"I view government a necessary evil."

Actually, it's not necessary at all, although it definitely is evil.

Chuck, I am aware of the FSP. I would probably be there already, except to be honest with you, I hate the Eastern side of the country. Too many people and far too much traffic. Not to mention the insane cost of living and general lack of appeal to me.

I dont think the FSP has much of a chance because it (like the LP) is based on the idea that we can still work within the system and reform it. I am to the point where I no longer think this is possible. I see it very similar to cancer. If you get cancer in an organ that you have two of, you have the option of cutting one out and hoping for the best or you can try a variety of duct tape fixes. Neither is a sure thing. With the FedGov, for the last 200+ years, we have went the duct tape route.

The important thing to keep in mind is that the proverbial patient we are "operating" on here is damn near dead. So we need to either get a whole lot better with the duct tape fixes really fast or we need to change tactics and try something else but if we continue to chug along at the rate we have been, we're gonna lose the patient.

Paul, Conseravtives are anti-tax until you allow them to send that tax money to thier churches. Then they are all for it.

Everyone, for those of you complaining that the LP is "Anti-Bush", did it occur to you that this may have to do with the fact that Bush and his cronies are behind every single issue on the front burner today? What else are we supposed to talk about? If the dems put someone in the oval office in 2008, we'll be talking alot about them and it wont be nice most likely.

"Paul, Conseravtives are anti-tax until you allow them to send that tax money to thier churches. Then they are all for it."

You're almost right. They are also for it when you can give some tax money to favored corporations, especially military contractors, invade some foreign country, build another prison, hire more cops and prosecutors, spray ditchweed with toxic chemicals, or bail out Republican constituencies like agribusiness....

well, I guess conservatives are not so antitax after all....

Here are some articles about the "fair tax" scam:

www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/cox4.html

www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/cox6.html

www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory48.html

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/tax-reform-racket.html

http://www.mises.org/story/1814

Laura Bush made the comment to her husband that he ought to read the newspapers to see what the polls were showing. During an interview with a leading publication on Education, she said Husband George's response was something to the effect of " I don't need to read polls about what's going on. I'm always there when they write that stuff". Well, cocky Presidents usually end up just about where George is now in the Polls .. At rock bottom, where he belongs.

There are quite a few very sensible posts in here. Matt C was correct in stating that too many posts are "rants" against George Bush. The President can take care of himself quite well on how the public perceives him, anything he does will not repair his Presidency. Enough said. As far as the "bridges to nowhere" are concerned, here lies a golden opportunity at the grass roots level. Without Ads,by use of the internet, email, blogs, etc. mass mail those in your address book to contact, with a request that they email, BUT ALSO follow up by FAX or Letter a request that funding be stopped. You don't have to state your a Liberatarian, Republican, or Democrat. That's not the point. The point is that Americans, as well as other Countries have contributed to alleviate the pain and suffering that occurred from Hurricane Katrina. Our own Government refused some aid based on politics, which sadly goes against the grain of humanity when this seems to be an integral part of any justification for change to a society they be struggling for freedom. A mixed message at best.
Senator Stevens is arrogant towards what's best for the people of Alaska, this country, and the victims of the recent tragedies around the world, including Hurricanes Katrina, Rita, & Wilma. This pork barrel project needs to be stopped,the country cannot afford it at the moment. Maybe someday, but not now. Senator Steven's in his arrogant style, refuses to become a part of the relief effort, nor does he hold the values one would expect of a man in his position. This is not something he can nor should be allowed to apologize for. His statement that he would resign must be adhered to if the bridges are not built. This is not negotiable, the excuse of "taken out of context" that we are all so familiar with would be laughable at this juncture... I urge you to send become part of this campaign. What will happen here is that from your DEMAND that this be project be stopped, you indicate in your own letter that you mass mail four words .. "VOTE NO ON INCUMBENT". Not knowing who will push what button on election day with that phrase etched in their minds will make it nearly impossible for any politician to grasp what really just might occur for the first time in history. The
"Vote No On Incumbent" theme will have them on edge. Just where they need to be. So let's get this one rolling.

I forgot the following links for you to add into your emails:

Sen Ted Stevens Quotes: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/ted_stevens.html

Congressional Directory:
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/directory/congdir.tt?command=congdir

I forgot the following links for you to add into your emails:

Sen Ted Stevens Quotes: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/ted_stevens.html

Congressional Directory:
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/directory/congdir.tt?command=congdir

Matt C: your point is well taken. Hang around long enough and you'll see similar bashing of Democrats. That's going to be true in any political party. Some people are just plain angry, and it really doesn't matter who the politico of the moment is, they'll express their anger about him or her.

On the other hand, I think the LP official statements for the most part are not ad hominem attacks but rather are attacks on policies. These are fully justified in my opinion, and if you don't think that policies can rightfully be challenged, it makes me wonder what you think CAN be rightfully challenged?

Was Senator Ted Stevens throwing a tantrum
because Hurricane Katrina took money away
from Democratic pork barrell projects
like prescription drugs ??
Who asked for prescription drug insurance ?
Postpone the prescription drug plan for
three years to pay for Katrina and rebuilding
New Orleans.
Perhaps some Libertarian in congress could
introduce a bill to repeal
prescription drug coverage. Outsource the
drug purchasing to Canada or India.
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Another way to save money would be to convert
all courts to all volunteer juries. Jury
commissoners summon people to distant courthouses
and then reject most of those potential jurors
chosen who then drive back home wasting more
expensive imported oil.
Converting to an all volunteer jury system
will include volunteers knowing what the requirements
are so they will be less likely to be rejected.
The compulsory jury duty system that our
country started out with can be unfair to
people by making them miss important work days
or college tests or leave children unattended.
Are there any Libertarian Party Candidates
who are willing to support converting
all courts to all volunteer juries ??
Eric Matteson

How about repeal all the fat raises that congress gave themselves.

"Nigel, as long as you'll join me in prison I will."

If it becomes illegal to be a Libertarian I'll move.

Uh, what the heck is going on with the "blogs that reference this entry?" Evidently some spammer has figured out this system and put a bunch of ads down there. I don't think we want visitors thinking that we support mail order brides.

Yes! the mail order bride is lame, I was thinking the same thing. It is making this lp blog look like a joke.

Matt C

Libertarian TV is correct to say that when some say they hate Bush they are really just expressing annoyance with war and or a policy. Also some just continue using the last election campaign slogans from the Democratic radical left wing and may not hold libertarians values at all.

What eludes me is this. The Democratic party supports some libertarian cultural values while at the same time promotes an economic policy that is diametrically opposed to those principles. While government can not control what I think or believe but it surely can control my economics and that is where the greatest risk to freedom lies.

My guess is there are also anti war warriors around that have invested so much emotionally they cannot to focus on anything else even temporally. When you run across these, unless it amuses you, I suggest you ignore them, for they will not listen and absolutely will not change the subject.

If any party is the mail-order bride party, it is the Libertarian Party.

Too bad they didn't pass this. I'd love to see Senator Stevens resign.

Alex Peak
President
College Libertarians of Towson
wwwnew.towson.edu/clt

Stockman,

Let me clear up what I mean when I say I hate Bush.

I hate every inch of his disgusting little body. I hate his smile, I hate his face and I hate his dumbo ears. I hate listening to him speak. I hate seeing him on TV. I hate hearing his voice on the radio. I hate his war, his taxes, his energy polices, his party and I hate his father too. I hate his war on freedom, I hate his immigration policy and I hate his spending.

I hate every aspect of this man and those associated with him. I am usually able to find one redeeming thing about every member of the human race and Bush is no exception. Someday, he will help to beautify a cemetery plot somewhere as his flesh decomposes and pushes up the daises. And as far as that goes, the sooner the better!

I do not care for Bush either, but Clinton didn't keep the terriorisim out of this country, Bush has. But everything else. Bush policy seemed to stop from 911 happening again. But the taken of our freedom however stinks.

Islam want to kill us because we will not convert to Islam. This is a fact. There is a long list, to long to go into and list.

Keith;

By George you convienced me, I believe you really mean that.

Hatred is an emotion I strive to avoid as it interferes with ones ability to receive new information and reason logically and one of the emotions motivating a suicide bomber. Just dosn't seem like a useful one.

But then, what ever floats your boat we all have our way of dealing with things.

"I do not care for Bush either, but Clinton didn't keep the terriorisim out of this country, Bush has."

Not really, since he is the chief terrorist.

"Bush policy seemed to stop from 911 happening again."

He'll engineer another 911 when he's ready.

"Islam want to kill us because we will not convert to Islam."

They don't seem to have a problem with Switzerland or Iceland. Hmmmmm.

Yes, Bush is so in control of everything, he causing his own polls to drop considerably.

The Swiss and Iceland if the muslim has their way would be problematic with them as well.

"Yes, Bush is so in control of everything, he causing his own polls to drop considerably."

The chief terrorist Bush reaps what he sows.

"The Swiss and Iceland if the muslim has their way would be problematic with them as well."

No attacks there, why?